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		<title>By: jbug</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>jbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about an option if you 1) don&#039;t want to host your own and 2) don&#039;t want to use java to implement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about an option if you 1) don&#8217;t want to host your own and 2) don&#8217;t want to use java to implement?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Goas</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1509</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Goas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great explanation of legal font usage with #font-face.

While I&#039;d love to see it, I&#039;m not holding my breath for a standard font format for fonts... Or anything else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great explanation of legal font usage with #font-face.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;d love to see it, I&#8217;m not holding my breath for a standard font format for fonts&#8230; Or anything else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Brown</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Divya!

On a related note, I think I need to begin making a distinction between EULAs and EULA overviews. EULAs must necessarily be carefully and extensively detailed. What I think folks are looking for is a second document – a Creative-Commons-style plain language overview. See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CC overview&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CC full license&lt;/a&gt;.

The two &quot;EULAs&quot; I mentioned in this post, from Mota Italic and H&amp;FJ, are really not EULAs. They&#039;re plain language overviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Divya!</p>
<p>On a related note, I think I need to begin making a distinction between EULAs and EULA overviews. EULAs must necessarily be carefully and extensively detailed. What I think folks are looking for is a second document – a Creative-Commons-style plain language overview. See: <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/" rel="nofollow">CC overview</a> and <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode" rel="nofollow">CC full license</a>.</p>
<p>The two &#8220;EULAs&#8221; I mentioned in this post, from Mota Italic and H&#038;FJ, are really not EULAs. They&#8217;re plain language overviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Divya</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>Divya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first webfont specific licensing agreement I have seen: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.typotheque.com/licensing/twfs_license&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Typotheque&#039;s webfont licensing agreement&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first webfont specific licensing agreement I have seen: <a href="http://www.typotheque.com/licensing/twfs_license" rel="nofollow">Typotheque&#8217;s webfont licensing agreement</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Cowie</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Cowie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the round up and filling in the technical details of WOFF for me.

I have to agree with Richard, you have been too kind regarding EULAs. 

I ended up cleaning out the fonts I collected over the years for web projects at the end of last year. I ended up removing over 80% because the EULA was not clear about use with font embedding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the round up and filling in the technical details of WOFF for me.</p>
<p>I have to agree with Richard, you have been too kind regarding EULAs. </p>
<p>I ended up cleaning out the fonts I collected over the years for web projects at the end of last year. I ended up removing over 80% because the EULA was not clear about use with font embedding.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrance</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1380</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ascender has some information on this site concentrating on the EOT format for IE.
http://www.fontembedding.com

Their blog also describes that they are selling EOT licenses right now.
http://www.ascendercorp.com/pr/2009-07-15/

I do believe that cloud-based apps have a strong future in the software industry. Serving fonts from a cloud is similar to other uses going on today, like Flash games being played on Facebook or Google Docs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ascender has some information on this site concentrating on the EOT format for IE.<br />
<a href="http://www.fontembedding.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fontembedding.com</a></p>
<p>Their blog also describes that they are selling EOT licenses right now.<br />
<a href="http://www.ascendercorp.com/pr/2009-07-15/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ascendercorp.com/pr/2009-07-15/</a></p>
<p>I do believe that cloud-based apps have a strong future in the software industry. Serving fonts from a cloud is similar to other uses going on today, like Flash games being played on Facebook or Google Docs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich: I try to remain objective (and optimistic) here about licensing, drawing attention to good examples as a means to set type licensor expectations. However, I do share your frustration; if faced with anything but a dead-simple EULA, I would strongly consider compromising on type choice or searching elsewhere.

Jens: Just to be sure we&#039;re on the same page, &lt;a href=&quot;http://people.mozilla.com/~jkew/woff/woff-spec-latest.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is the WOFF spec&lt;/a&gt; you&#039;re referring to, correct? (I&#039;ve seen several specs as the format has evolved, but this is the most recent one.)

The &quot;Extended Metadata&quot; portion of the spec outlines a place for information about the vendor, license, licensee, trademark, and copyright. My understanding is that someone could download (or view source) a WOFF file, change its XML data, re-upload to his or her own web server, and—voila. The font is now &quot;stolen&quot;.

&lt;ins datetime=&quot;2009-10-27T22:06:34+00:00&quot;&gt;UPDATE: &lt;a href=&quot;http://typesupply.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tal Leming&lt;/a&gt;, a co-author of the WOFF proposal, elaborated on the complexity of &quot;stealing&quot; a WOFF file, writing in an email:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is more complicated than this. The XML data is compressed, so it would have to be recompressed and then rewritten into the WOFF file. The offsets to the data following the metadata would have to be adjusted. The header would have to be updated to reflect the new metadata length and the offsets to data following the metadata.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;

However, type sellers have equal access to this XML data, as well as the means to compare it with data in the WOFF file that cannot be changed by would-be type pirates. My assumption is that no type seller would license WOFF typefaces without a system (and/or employees) in place to go out and check for mismatches.

I also assume that browsers will facilitate these checks by making it easier to view WOFF data (formatting it in an easy-to-read way, for example) or by actually &lt;em&gt;doing the check&lt;/em&gt; and telling source viewers straight up, &quot;There&#039;s something wrong here.&quot;

Point being: the onus to protect intellectual property is on the type seller rather than on browser security features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich: I try to remain objective (and optimistic) here about licensing, drawing attention to good examples as a means to set type licensor expectations. However, I do share your frustration; if faced with anything but a dead-simple EULA, I would strongly consider compromising on type choice or searching elsewhere.</p>
<p>Jens: Just to be sure we&#8217;re on the same page, <a href="http://people.mozilla.com/~jkew/woff/woff-spec-latest.html" rel="nofollow">this is the WOFF spec</a> you&#8217;re referring to, correct? (I&#8217;ve seen several specs as the format has evolved, but this is the most recent one.)</p>
<p>The &#8220;Extended Metadata&#8221; portion of the spec outlines a place for information about the vendor, license, licensee, trademark, and copyright. My understanding is that someone could download (or view source) a WOFF file, change its XML data, re-upload to his or her own web server, and—voila. The font is now &#8220;stolen&#8221;.</p>
<p><ins datetime="2009-10-27T22:06:34+00:00">UPDATE: <a href="http://typesupply.com/" rel="nofollow">Tal Leming</a>, a co-author of the WOFF proposal, elaborated on the complexity of &#8220;stealing&#8221; a WOFF file, writing in an email:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is more complicated than this. The XML data is compressed, so it would have to be recompressed and then rewritten into the WOFF file. The offsets to the data following the metadata would have to be adjusted. The header would have to be updated to reflect the new metadata length and the offsets to data following the metadata.</p></blockquote>
<p></ins></p>
<p>However, type sellers have equal access to this XML data, as well as the means to compare it with data in the WOFF file that cannot be changed by would-be type pirates. My assumption is that no type seller would license WOFF typefaces without a system (and/or employees) in place to go out and check for mismatches.</p>
<p>I also assume that browsers will facilitate these checks by making it easier to view WOFF data (formatting it in an easy-to-read way, for example) or by actually <em>doing the check</em> and telling source viewers straight up, &#8220;There&#8217;s something wrong here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Point being: the onus to protect intellectual property is on the type seller rather than on browser security features.</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Alfke</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens Alfke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sympathetic to the foundries&#039; issues, but the WOFF format really has me saying WTF? At a technical level, it messes with the low-level TrueType format to accomplish the same compression that could be achieved vastly more easily by simply saying &quot;take your .TTF file and zip it and rename that .WOFF&quot;.

And there isn&#039;t actually anything in the actual WOFF spec to address piracy, just a couple of mentions of the words &quot;digital signature&quot;, sprinkled on like fairy dust. Without any detailed specs for that, it&#039;s just security theater, because if a web browser accepts an un-signed WOFF file, it will be trivial to strip signatures from commercial fonts and use them illegally. Without mandatory signatures, WOFF is just obfuscated TrueType.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sympathetic to the foundries&#8217; issues, but the WOFF format really has me saying WTF? At a technical level, it messes with the low-level TrueType format to accomplish the same compression that could be achieved vastly more easily by simply saying &#8220;take your .TTF file and zip it and rename that .WOFF&#8221;.</p>
<p>And there isn&#8217;t actually anything in the actual WOFF spec to address piracy, just a couple of mentions of the words &#8220;digital signature&#8221;, sprinkled on like fairy dust. Without any detailed specs for that, it&#8217;s just security theater, because if a web browser accepts an un-signed WOFF file, it will be trivial to strip signatures from commercial fonts and use them illegally. Without mandatory signatures, WOFF is just obfuscated TrueType.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Fink</title>
		<link>http://nicewebtype.com/notes/2009/10/20/where-to-get-web-fonts/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this roundup. You are being much kinder about how EULA&#039;s are worded and presented and the licensing terms for web fonts currently being offered by commercial font design studios than I would be.
Right now I&#039;m sticking to free fonts. There&#039;s little other choice as long as Safari only supports linking to &quot;raw&quot; TTF or OTF files that commercial font vendors won&#039;t license for.

Cheers,
&lt;a href=&quot;http:readableweb.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rich&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this roundup. You are being much kinder about how EULA&#8217;s are worded and presented and the licensing terms for web fonts currently being offered by commercial font design studios than I would be.<br />
Right now I&#8217;m sticking to free fonts. There&#8217;s little other choice as long as Safari only supports linking to &#8220;raw&#8221; TTF or OTF files that commercial font vendors won&#8217;t license for.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
<a href="http:readableweb.com" rel="nofollow">Rich</a></p>
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